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Bailey Bouwman  01:28

 Today we are joined with Derrin, Derrin is the mama behind CooperRose. And we have the pleasure of chatting in January of 2020. And then I lost her recording. And I was so bummed about it. Derrin was not but I was I feel like our first interview was so much better. But nonetheless, we’re going to chat she’s got a big kid like I do as well. And she’s going to share about her story which is a little bit unique. And she’s creating some really amazing products. I have shown a demo of her fitted diaper over on my personal blog simply mom Bailey calm, and I can’t wait for you to also go check out our products. Why? Who are you? What’s your little elevator spiel? How about that beginning?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  02:18

Yeah, my elevator is way too long always.

Bailey Bouwman  02:24

Go all the way up.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  02:27

So my name is Derrin Moore and I am the founder of Cooper rose baby. I started Cooper rose because there was just a lack of representation for black and brown folks in the cloth diapering worlds. I felt like I started cloth diapering my son because he was having a lot of rashes and just like issues with his skin, not just as but like, all over but I wanted to go as natural as possible with everything and happened upon modern cloth diapering, which I just was looking for the old school prefolds do not even know they’re called prefolds. So in that journey of finding them, it was like more people need to know about this. And that’s where Cooper’s came from.

Bailey Bouwman  03:11

 So your son is not that old? He’s only

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  03:16

he’s 5

Bailey Bouwman  03:17

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  03:19

Okay, this turns out to be February. Yeah. So that’s a little bit away. So but it’s been.

Bailey Bouwman  03:31

So it’s been about five years for some reason, I guess maybe when we talked it. Well, he would have been four

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  03:37

Yes. I think he I think he was still four when we talked. Yeah.

Bailey Bouwman  03:43

Which always seems so much younger than five. There’s something about turn five that it makes it feel like suddenly, they’re like big like they’re you’ve been at this for years.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  03:56

Absolutely. Actually, when he turned five, I was like, Oh, no, like, he’s not he’s not toddler. He’s a kid. He’s a boy.

Bailey Bouwman  04:04

He goes to school. Because Yeah, so you’re in Atlanta, Georgia. Correct. And you decided to go to cloth diapering. You looked for prefolds What got you into designing what is now the Cooper rose fitted diaper and the the lineup that you have? Yeah.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  04:29

So when I first started, so I the pocket diaper was the first modern thought diaper that I saw or dealt with. And so in my quest to have more black and brown folks, cloth diapering, I basically just bought mass mate factored a diaper diapers and customize the butt. So I had some that said young, gifted and brown some that said brown and Fuji and so they were just like the you know Like I got them from China and, you know, shipped over whatnot. And in that journey started realizing like, well, one, these diapers are coming in plastic. So I’m like getting like, you know, hundreds of diapers, and they’re all in these plastic sleeves. And so that didn’t feel good. And then it was like, Well, if I’m trying to if I want to put him inches and natural fibers, these are natural fibers. So like, I was making inserts first like that. So I make I was buying these mass produce customizing them. But having inserts handmade, actually, my mom was making them at the time. And so they were having organic cotton and out, put them on top of the pocket. And it was like, there has to be a better way to do this. And so just gradually, like more and more I was tell people all the time, like I just went down a rabbit hole. I was like, wait, that’s not good. Either way that’s not good.

Bailey Bouwman  05:55

I absolutely hate though is like I so this is like my 78 recording. And this is like the 45th time that I’ve heard this story. You know, somebody meets they meet a pocket diaper as their first experience with cloth diapering and then they realize that the pockets doesn’t have any natural fibers at all and then and then suddenly they’re handcrafting fitted diapers and it’s just like Sometimes I wish we could just take that piece out like how do we get how do we get Cooper rose? How do we get Derin straight to that curious Derrin five years ago like how do we get you in the right place? But maybe 45 stories later this is just a kind of like the journey that has to happen because Derrin five years ago might have been terrified by your product.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  06:44

Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. I mean, I think for me, because I didn’t know anything at all. Maybe if the fitted was the first thing I saw. I don’t know if I would have been afraid because I was willing to do a prefold with a pin.

Bailey Bouwman  06:58

Oh, yeah, that’s true. Like I have your diaper actually really close to me. It’s washed. Oh, yeah. I took some photos Actually, I I took photos and I was published photo epilogue about what it looks like is publishing soon. So

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  07:18

I should have got a ding from that. And even though it hasn’t published yet, it hasn’t published yet. I just like

Bailey Bouwman  07:24

I literally just finished it last night. Because it’s been sitting here in my pile of things to do. Like every busy mom, but what I think is really fascinating what a lot of people aren’t going to know so we should pivot to this part of your story is that you don’t so these know you’re not a seamstress

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  07:43

no

Bailey Bouwman  07:43

at all.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  07:45

No.

Bailey Bouwman  07:45

How does somebody cuz everybody I talked to Courtney at Eco Accoutrements and Heather Lilly & Frank, they’re seamstresses. But that’s not you. So you what, what goes into making the fitted diaper?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  08:01

Whoa, man, that was so I, I learned a lot. I have learned a lot along the way. I actually was still gonna even though I was mass producing buying in China, I had to connect there. So I just was like, Hey, can you make this other thing? But it was still the same issue, you know, where I would still get these, like packages of stuff that you know it come with it and then I wasn’t really sure. Like, okay, can you give me a certificate, the gltf certification, they couldn’t do that. So it was like, okay, maybe I should like look somewhere else for Yeah.

Bailey Bouwman  08:43

Well, that actually, that was a question that somebody had asked me this week about GOTS certification. Yeah. And she was like, it seems really sketchy. A lot of brands don’t really share it. And it’s not really super accessible. But a lot of times what I hear from brands is that it’s also really hard for them to Yeah, to get their hands on them for manufacturers, which does increase this layer of like, what’s going on out there? Exactly. Right. Suppliers should be able to get you GMP certification. No problem. Yeah. Yeah.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  09:20

Yeah. So I knew that I needed to break down the process a little bit more. So what I wanted to do was to have my mom so for me, my mom’s an amazing seamstress or soloist and, and her sister. She was taking care of my grandparents at the time and she couldn’t do it. She went, I went home and like took all this stuff. And they were like, Oh, yeah, let’s do this thing. You know, you can work out everywhere for I didn’t know at the time it was called Smart, small batch, small batch manufacturing, but I looked all over the place in the United States for manufacturing and either it was the mo q was like Crazy, or they didn’t want to deal with it like it was just a lot. You know,

Bailey Bouwman  10:06

you’re not the first one to say that I was just editing some show notes from an episode I did three years ago. And that’s the same story. Looking for North American based manufacturing is just, it’s impossible, unless you have the capital to build it

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  10:22

yourself. Yeah. And that’s basically what people I mean, I didn’t do because I, I so I think I told you this before. I’m a gymnastics coach first. So I my business is gymnastics and circuits. And so it’s like, I couldn’t put those resources in Cooper rose yet. Like I needed to see what it was, you know, going to work. And so it was, yeah, it was a task. But I finally found Well, first. Yeah, it there was just a journey. So I’ve worked with local sellers for a long time. And like, just Can you make 10 diapers? Can you make 10 diapers? I did create a pattern, which was weird, because I don’t see patterns. So just like what I like from this and what I don’t like from that and just, you know, kind of made this pattern. And so got some consistency. Even those with you know, have I think at one point, I had three different so it’s in Atlanta, like making stuff.

Bailey Bouwman  11:20

So that’s like my little question I had, like, how do you get that consistency, but at the same time, when so I’ve gotten to mother ease as Factory in St. catharines. Canada, and they have four or five different seamstresses in their factory, that, you know, if you were going to China, it would be a dozen different seamstresses anyways, so like that consistency, if as long as you’ve got the good pattern, and you have a quality seamstress, you should be able to replicate. Right, right. Same product. I mean, that’s, that’s the theory. Yeah. Do you know that theory doesn’t hold? Is that what I’m hearing?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  11:56

In the beginning? It did not. And I would definitely have to so that was one of the reasons why I created the Cooper’s Facebook group. So I can like, talk to people and like, hey, so I would have oops, oops, products and, hey, we had this, you know, a batch man, and it just wasn’t what it needed. He so I’ll sell these to you for you know, 50% or whatever. And just, you know, chat with people and doing like test diapers and. And so yeah, there’s definitely some some problems with inconsistent inconsistency of various what I love,

Bailey Bouwman  12:31

because I think probably resonates so much with your brand’s ethos is that you’re trying to find a new home to those diapers. Yeah, despite the inconsistency is or that it hasn’t matched up. Because unfortunately, for a lot of brands when a batch goes wrong, though, that batch just gets written out. Yeah. And we don’t talk about that a lot. I know there was a 18 months ago or so P ul manufacturer, because it impacted a lot of brands kind of had faulty p ul and so there was an entire like gap for a lot of brands, because the P well went bad, and then all these diapers just kind of have to be disposed of, unfortunately. I mean, with P Well, it’s the it’s like, there’s not really a lot of options, but for a lot of brands, they’re not going to sell or they’re not going to, but I can’t take their inconsistent seconds. So

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  13:32

yeah, yeah, it’s for us. We don’t have that issue. Oh, I mean, there’s still an issue of inconsistency and you don’t want people to have some, you know, they pay full price for so. But because everything’s natural fibers, I mean, you could technically you know, I mean just even if it’s not sewn into anything you can put it on your baby.

Bailey Bouwman  13:52

The diaper is absorb that’s all we gotta do. Yeah, so you’ve what’s really what’s really unique about Derrin’s products is the textiles because you’re creating these we’re actually we’re seeing a lot more of this kind of creative natural fiber textiles and I’m loving it but you have this habit cotton linen blend diaper How did so when you were in China, if we backtrack a little bit you’re you’re you’re not getting that grts you weren’t getting those fibers at textiles that you’ve liked. Now you’ve brought it back here to America to America. I’m not even American. brought it back to Georgia. What are you doing? How are your sourcing your textiles? What are you looking for in your textiles and what what how do you get those? that product that you get to your students dress?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  14:40

Yeah, so originally the flax linen that we were using was I just was looking for 100% black linen. So So linen, flax linen, by itself, is similar to hemp in the sense that you don’t need fertilizer for it to grow. And it’s not Yeah, that’s not to say it doesn’t happen, but it doesn’t need as much as like say like cotton Cotton’s, when it’s not organic, it’s pretty bad. And so Lenin, you don’t have that same issue. I mean, there’s still because it’s not regulated. There may be something so I was a little cautious but because it grows well without it. I was using flexline and that wasn’t organic. linen grow. Well, it can grow anywhere. But the big place where it grows is Lithuania I want to say Am I wrong? Don’t quote me. In skin. Europe is where it’s like really known.

Bailey Bouwman  15:49

What is a linen plant?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  15:53

Oh, the planet? Yeah. It’s um, it’s, it’s pretty interesting. And linens been around forever. It’s like one of the first fabrics. Okay,

Bailey Bouwman  16:03

flax plant. Yeah. oldest cultivated plant in history. Yeah. Hmm. I yeah, somebody I’m gonna have to find this is gonna be like a little rabbit hole today. Nobody’s nobody is using nobody really uses linen and diapering. Why do you think nobody else is using linen and diapering?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  16:24

You know, people have a false like idea of linen. I have. So when I first wanted to use it, people were telling me don’t use that you can’t wash it. And it’s like, you can totally wash wash, linen and dry. Oh, it’s even

Bailey Bouwman  16:41

more trendy. Right? Like since I had babies and you had a baby, obviously, we have babies at the same time. linen has become very trendy for clothing. Yeah, yeah.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  16:51

Yeah, it’s breathable. It’s super sturdy. You can you can’t really tear it the more you wash it, the stronger it gets. And the softer it gets, which is crazy. Yeah, like

Bailey Bouwman  17:02

yeah, so that’s what your head telling me. So I think the one thing I don’t think about linen for diapering is so you’ve only used it on the exterior of this diaper. Yeah, it feels very thin, like compared to the inner. So does that mean it’s not as absorbent? is are you using it more decorative?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  17:19

Or? What’s that story? Yeah, it is definitely decorative. I just I live in. But it also is very absorbent. It’s more absorbent than cotton. So it fits kinda like him. Actually, probably bamboo although I don’t deal with bamboo at all. But

Bailey Bouwman  17:40

nobody needs to deal with that. But we’re bonded. Let’s move on to Lin. Friend. Yes. So

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  17:47

him and then and then linen and then cotton. So linens actually more Yeah, absorbent and cotton. So it’s so I use it for a little bit of both. But definitely the the decorative part

Bailey Bouwman  18:00

is instead of using like a printed cotton or a printed bamboo valore, which is what I would say most other brands are using. Yeah. So it’s a better it’s an eco swap for you to those Absolutely. For those fit and then inside you’ve got a hemp COTTON BLEND. And it’s fairly heavy, right? Very heavy. Yeah. 390 GSM. Yeah, yeah, super heavy. You’ve gone for a soul Wolf, walk somebody through it. Darren’s main diaper that we’re talking about here is a fitted diaper. It’s snap lis it’s one size, and it is a layer of flax,

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  18:41

new layers of hemcon. And the in the shell, it’s well I’ve done two. So this one that you have, I think has bluer on the inside. Yeah. So it’s the flax linen on the outside. There’s a layer of one layer of hemp and organic cotton on the inside. And then the the part that touches the baby is the bluer and I kind of went back and forth with the floor because that’s organic cotton, but it’s got a little bit of polyester, which I was debating, but it’s just a tiny bit so it’s okay.

Bailey Bouwman  19:21

It’s not a perfect world. And then you’ve got a contoured insert that butterflies open, a contoured butterfly insert or why have you gone with something that opens up any magic or magical insight for you as a cloth diaper user on why an insert

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  19:40

might want to look like this? Yes, because hemp and organic cotton. So it’s all it’s super absorbent, which me ans that it holds a lot of stuff, right? So let’s so as far as washing it, it’s easier to get everything out when you don’t have four layers together. So that gap gives you a little bit more cleanliness and also drying, it dries faster.

Bailey Bouwman  20:06

And I was also going to tell people that I did least I did, I think in my review is that you can also customize this fold, if you need to eat. So if you need it to fold. There’s just so many options when you have some. It’s just gives you more options. You can fold it and put it where you need it when you need it. And that’s kind of like the beauty about fitted diapers and a lot of other. So you’re doing small batch, small batch manufacturing in Atlanta, Georgia with naturally sourced textiles hammer.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  20:40

One one site, there are two main parts in New Orleans and ones in Florida. So close. Yeah, there are your all

Bailey Bouwman  20:50

your textiles are coming from Florida and New Orleans.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  20:53

None of us actually thinks I was coming from Massachusetts. Thanks, I was coming from Massachusetts. And I basically shipped them right to the manufacturers. But in there, the manufacturers ones in Louisiana and ones in Florida, so close to me.

Bailey Bouwman  21:11

American source textiles manufactured in the United States. That’s so cool, though that you’ve found like different people in different areas that you’re working with to create a product. And I think when we talked last time, you had kind of talked about waste in the manufacturing of products, did you not? And what’s a little bit about that story about reducing your brand’s waste? Because when you’re producing that when you produce a diaper, especially at ul cuts, there’s a lot of waste. A lot of waste.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  21:44

Yeah. So we it’s actually how we started nursing pads. So the little like remnants of nursing pad is four and a half inches wide, or diameter. So we can make nursing pads out of the the waist or the you know the room that’s from the diaper. I think I’m about two computers like that. And then working with small batch manufacturers, they work with other companies to basically give their their scraps to which you nobodies do it well, there are some bigger manufacturers that are doing it, but not not much. One of the manufacturers actually teaches they have a school. And so they use our remnants for their students to teach them. Yeah. We’ve actually we’ve also given fabric to a nonprofit that uses they, what do you call it? weave the fabric, they make it into longer fibers to weave and make art projects. So there’s so yeah, there’s so much that you can do with like, with scraps that bigger manufacturers are just not doing and they’re just throwing them away, you know, so, yeah, I love that part of it. Say Hey, hey,

Bailey Bouwman  23:15

Darren son is joined and your son is the name of your brand, right?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  23:19

Um, his middle name actually is Cooper Academy. And so when I didn’t know if we were having a boy or girl, and if we have two names, and if he would have been a girl his name would have been Cooper rose. My grandmother is Rose. So yeah, so we set the name for the for the brand.

Bailey Bouwman  23:44

Okay, so you manufacturing and you know what i was funny? You mentioning the nursing pads because I follow a small brand. And she just announced that she’s got nursing pads that I was like, Oh, that’s cool. And then as you say, I was a great use for scraps. I’m like, Oh, okay. She probably just dropped the website, cuz she’s also getting all those grabs. So one thing I know a little bit about textiles is that they’re you can buy bolts and there’s no rolls. Do you do any of that kind of end of roll shopping to reduce your impact or you buy bolts? When it comes to textile sourcing?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  24:22

Yeah, I definitely buy bulk. I don’t necessarily look for end of bolt I did a little bit with the linen is I feel like it’s a little bit easier than organic cotton. it to me just doesn’t make sense to buy it. If you’re not buying bulk. That’s true.

Bailey Bouwman  24:42

That’s true. I guess I saw I there’s a local seamstress to me who manufactures Lenin dresses and that’s how she goodbyes and of role blending to make her dresses and so that’s why I kind of knew about that. So what has been your biggest challenge Owning a cloth diaper business, maybe being a black woman in the cloth diaper business

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  25:06

is the biggest challenge. I feel like, it’s just, I get crap, you can snap, you’re so good. I feel like it’s, um, it all. I’m always educating, you know, and which is great. But it’s if I had a product that like everybody just needed in knew they needed and everybody used as a business, it would be great. But because this is, and it’s why I got into it anyway, so I’m not mad about it, but it’s definitely a challenge. It’s, you know,

Bailey Bouwman  25:47

it’s like, it becomes I was You’re not the first one this year, I’ve chatted with a couple of women who run diaper banks. Yeah, and sometimes it just becomes a little bit emotionally exhausting feeling like you’re being super repetitive all the time and not feeling like there was the progress that maybe you want there to be in the mainstream ness of it. And I can really like kind of relate to some of that feeling of just like, we’re not there yet. And there’s still a lot of work to do. And one that had chatted last year we had talked about cloth diapering in the black community which is something that I’ve heard also from Jade at crunchy culture and several others about just the the awareness or the lack of awareness and math, a whole bringing up of education in there and what does that look like for you and how are you doing that in your local community to support cloth with with I guess the black people are not the only people the only community probably there’s probably lots of other ethnics.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  26:53

Yeah

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  26:56

we actually started a collective I guess is what within the name it’s it’s collective. So mama soco collective.

Bailey Bouwman  27:05

Oh, yes, I get that name. Probably from you. Yeah. Okay.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  27:11

It’s for black natural parents and families. Just to learn. Cool, cool, cool. So for me, and I think a lot of black people, um, culturally, this is how we, how we survived longer than other boats. Because, because, especially in the United States, we didn’t have the resources that other groups of people had. So all of the things that are natural, just because you, you got it, you’re not, I mean, like, you got boobs with milk. And so you feed your baby, you know. And so there are reasons why we were kind of like, taken away from that. And, and so there’s all this stigma attached to natural parenting. And so we wanted to, you know, just not just cloud diapering but all of natural parents and wanted to just bring some awareness around that for black and brown folks. And so before COVID we were doing events in the city and mostly around the the black like natural parenting weeks, so like black babywearing week, black breastfeeding week, missing something breastfeeding babywearing. There’s something else but I can’t think of it right now. diapering group week now but it wasn’t COVID before COVID. So we had three we did three events a year. Breastfeeding babywearing, and then we called it cafe soco. And that was just general, natural parenting. So that is, that’s what I feel like our Cooper roses project as far as like community based events. That’s one of the main things that we do. And it’s hard. It’s no baby. I feel like the it’s exactly what you said as far as like just being emotional, emotionally draining, because you know that it’s something that can help people and there are people who look like you and they don’t want to listen.

Bailey Bouwman  29:26

I mean, you started this off kind of like, we like you didn’t have the privileges to do the other. Right. So you had to cloth diaper. And now we’re in 2021 when Pampers and Huggies just announced that diaper prices are increasing 10% in June. And so diaper prices are now up like 25% over 2019. And poverty in the United States and poverty amongst black and brown and indigenous people is never been as bad as it is. And so we have these slides. Yeah, how? So? Actually, I met with a woman yesterday about how do you this is like probably personal, it’s fine. How do you manage, like negotiate with yourself having a higher price product in an industry that is so targeted towards saving money? I know, this is a challenge that I have just because like my book, I wrote a book on cloth diapers, and I’m like, Well, I want it to be accessible, I need to value my time and what I put into it, so I kind of really skirt my profit margins to do what I do. But that’s not always a good boundary. So how do you, as a creator, kind of justify the product that you’re putting out and then the community

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  30:49

at large? You know, there’s, there’s a lot actually there’s like, a, I feel like if I really explained all of it, it would take me days. That’s okay. I think, one, I know that I’m not I know that in order to make the diaper. those costs just have to be there. You know, and for me, it’s just like you said, for your your time and effort, you know, running the business, like you got to get got to get something back from it. But I also, even within, like marketing my own brand, I talked about how accessible cloth diapering can be like, you don’t have to use a fitted diaper. It’s cool. And it’s nice, but or, I shouldn’t say easier. It could be easier for some folks. But there’s so many other ways to cloth diaper and so like that mama soco piece for me? Um, I feel like it’s, I don’t want to say that. Because I’m doing that it’s okay to charge more, you know?

Bailey Bouwman  32:02

Well, and I always like, for me, as a blogger, I find it so hard to talk about high end products, because I often get this rebuttal. There’s no way I could afford that. But there are so many people who can’t afford it. So there’s there is a market of people who are buying your diapers who can afford to pay for the textiles and pay for and in an ideal world, that’s the important community work that we want to do is to be able to have everybody afford your product. And so I guess it’s, I justify it to myself as like, I’m not actively pro score, price gorging the community like I’m not actively going out there and tripling bringing quadruple income on a product that cost pennies to make right. I just was just kind of like this, just the conversation I had yesterday with a mom about, she was like, why don’t you put your book and I was like, because there’s no profit margin. There’s literally no profit margin. Because I just wanted to kind of justify the two things. So getting it into a retailer doesn’t make sense because they would have to charge $26 for it, and then I don’t feel good. So yeah, we’re gonna do what we’re gonna do, we’re just going to be okay with it and find other ways. And that’s like the beauty of cloth. diapering is really the most accessible way of cloth. diapering is not something we can sell at all. We can sell towels and T shirts with reusable wool pads, and we really can’t sell that, but we can advocate that those are options, so you can literally use anything in your house. Yeah, put it on baby’s bottom and have clean healthy palm, right?

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  33:33

Yeah, that’s absolutely right. I mean, it’s, you know, you go to the mall and you might buy a dress, that’s $200 because you’re feeling like it. Or you might say hey, I don’t need that $200 dress I just need something to get by and you buy that $10 dress.

Bailey Bouwman  33:50

What is the thing that you love most about being in the cloth diaper space and having a cloth diaper brand? Oh man, I’m here comes

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  34:13

the community aspect. Um, I mean, you know, the, the obvious stuff like just you know, being able to feel good about the product itself and you know, all of the stuff from before but but the community like I mean, if you meet someone who cloth diapers they you feel like they’re like you’ve known them you can talk for hours just about a diaper

Bailey Bouwman  34:46

or anything really like in this like natural baby’s space. I mean, I see on your website right you’ve got bonnets like I had I had little bought it for my kid and if I met another mom who had a bond I’d be like where is that bought it from? Yeah, on it. Let’s tell the whole story. It’s like one of those baby gear gizmos that really kind of like suddenly better.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  35:06

Yes. So I think yeah, if I had to, I mean, I know that there’s like, there’s there are problems in everything, you know, there’s gonna be drama somewhere, but, um, but for the most part, that the community part is cool.

Bailey Bouwman  35:23

And so the best place to connect with you to find your diapers is, um,

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  35:29

actually, I guess the the best place to connect and actually get a feel for who we are is Instagram probably rose baby on Instagram, but we’re Kerberos baby everywhere. So www.raspberrypi.com Facebook is Cooper’s baby.com I don’t really do Twitter, but it’s there too.

Bailey Bouwman  35:49

Okay, so well, we’ll check that out. And actually, as I pull up your Instagram here, these uh, these water colorings that you had done are beautiful, right? Amazing collaboration. Yeah, I love it.

Derrin, CooperRoseBaby  36:06

He’s my old tattoo artist. He’s like, from tattoos to drum babies.

Bailey Bouwman  36:12

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