Cloth Diaper Podcast – Show 82

Bumby Wool, Part 1

This is part one of a two part series with Stephanie Gross, the owner of Bumby Wool. Today we share the journey of starting her wool diapering business, and the foundation of washing wool. 


The second part of this episode will be released next week and show case a wrap up of the wash routine, with questions about wool washing, followed by her business in the future and where she wants to go.

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    Stephanie, Bumby Wool, Bailey Bouwman


    Bailey Bouwman  00:00

    This is show 82 of the cloth diaper podcast. Today is part one of a two part conversation with Stephanie from bumby wool.


    Bailey Bouwman  00:20

    All right, welcome back to the cloth diaper podcast. My name is Bailey. I am the host of the cloth diaper podcast. And for the last couple of years, we have been interviewing cloth, diaper brands, retailers and parents around the world to share their expertise and their knowledge and their experiences with diapering.


    Bailey Bouwman  00:34

    This has shown us that the cloth diaper narrative can be different. And that we all come into the story with our own knowledge and wisdom. And I think it’s also really shown me that sometimes we’re looking to the wrong thought leaders and that sometimes we’re over complicating things. Okay, well, that’s sometimes a lot of times, and I have been away guilty for that, too.


    Bailey Bouwman  00:58

     I was so thrilled to have the conversation to talk with Stephanie. And we ended up having two phone calls for this episode. So I’m going to do this as a two part series, I think we kind of kickstart our next episode in a really good place where we’re going to do a recap on the wash routine, and then kind of go into where her business is going in the future.


    Bailey Bouwman  01:17

    So today’s episode is really kind of going to go into her brand story into kind of this wash routine process for her wall. And I hope that it kind of gives you some new insights into wall washing. I definitely know that after talking with Stephanie, I went back and I edited all of my wall guidelines and products.


    Bailey Bouwman  01:37

    So if you want to go check out my wool guidelines, I’ve put that into today’s episode I’ll link into there, I’ve kind of made this little download sheet for you guys that can maybe help walk through every wall manufacturer is going to have a different approach. And I also think it’s important to recognize that wool has changed over the decades.


    Bailey Bouwman  01:54

    And what we know about wool and how we treat wool is constantly evolving, just like the process of washing diapers. So wash the wool, the way that your wool manufacturer wants you to wash the wool. This is how bumby wants you to wash their wool. And I think there’s some really good insights in here that we can apply to the entire industry, and some really great ways that we can encourage and empower other families to consider Well, I know I probably would bowled over my babies if I did it all over again. But that’s probably a conversation for another day.


    Bailey Bouwman  02:28

    We’re starting to develop some networks and membership platforms not just for parents, but for brands for bloggers. If you’re looking for a chance to connect to have one on one meetings, and if you’re looking for spaces to kind of grow in this collaborative nature of cloth diapering and maybe rewrite what cloth diaper and looks like in the future, come connect with us. That’s what we’re doing and I can’t wait for all the amazing things I have planned for 2022 anyways into part one of a two part conversation with Stephanie from bumby wool.


    Bailey Bouwman  03:21

    Alright, so where where does where does bumby we’ll start by you. You’ve been in this business industry what 10-12 years and you started off not in ball you started off somewhere else.


    Bailey Bouwman  03:33

    Yeah, I started so are your oldest son is turning 14 next month. And I started a business with him. So yeah, 14 years, 14 years.


    Bailey Bouwman  03:45

    Wow, it’s even longer than I recall.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  03:49

    So well I mean, the evolution of it started 14 years ago, I wanted to qualify for him. And it was the dawn of internet shopping you know, like Amazon was still selling books. And Netflix was still mailing DVDs if you can imagine and Facebook was just starting and I couldn’t find the cloth diapers where I lived and I you know wasn’t overly controlling online shopping thing yet. I really am now.


    Bailey Bouwman  04:18

    We started thinking about what the world looked like in 2005 2008 Yeah, internet shopping. I can remember making my first purchase and be like terrified.


    Bailey Bouwman  04:28

    So yeah, like how are they going to know


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  04:30

    Yeah, so I decided to call it that if we’re going to find anything and then ended up buying some cloth diapers from a wonderful shop Huckleberry baby which is still in existence in the nymo super nice lady. And, and then I thought you know, these are really neat and I love to sew I love to learn new things.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  04:50

    So I decided Let me try making something for myself. And I thought well Dang, these are pretty nice, but I made I was proud of myself and then And then I figured, you know, if I couldn’t find something and I wanted it there must be other people that are in the same situation so I’m not a very idle person so I started the business and it was more about providing services to people that weren’t able to get something as well as you know, I’ve always been really passionate about low waist and cloth diapering and that’s something interesting because you just posted something about that the other day you know, the more cloth diapers that we can get out there the better because it reduces our landfills waste and so it’s really about promoting


    Bailey Bouwman  05:37

     I got interrupted you were talking about your the value of sustainability in your business is that is the value of sustainability in your business part of why you’ve shifted into Well, you went from what I believe were traditional diapers into well how did that how did that transition go for you?


    Bailey Bouwman  05:52

    Well, I I was using the  PUL or pull in the beginning and eating pocket diapers or snap, I developed a really cool envelope folding to you know, to be able to make the pocket diapers, but I go into wall and I am like you were saying the sustainability of it. The PUL even though it’s better than using a disposable diaper, but it still doesn’t decompose in our landfills like the wool does. So leaning towards those natural fibers and using the cotton and bamboo paired with a wall was such a nice partnership and it’s so much better for for the environment and they they wash them are so much better to sew and the breathe ability for babies Mamas and reducing rashes


    Bailey Bouwman  06:37

    has so many amazing benefits that we like it’s hard to really even describe do my question that I have for you that I suddenly lost in saying that sentence transition into this question was Did you did you wool diaper Did you rolled over your babies? Yes,


    Bailey Bouwman  06:59

    I did well I was using the PUL pockets to start off with and my son was actually getting quite a few rashes with them and well I shouldn’t say with them he was in them and he had rashes and it’s causation and correlation which is always such a big thing you know there’s also the soap that you’re watching with in the water and diet plays such a huge role realizing now that both of us have a dairy allergy which manifests in skin issues so you probably would have had less skin issues with being off their anchor but he yeah yeah rashes and when I transitioned at the wall and using just bamboo for the diaper and he definitely got a lot better and then our younger son also was a lot better in the world and he I don’t even think I really used close to making a few of the pocket diapers with him so I sent I still had them I wasn’t gonna throw them out either you know like they were so but I definitely you know used to will a lot more with them.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  07:59

    But my kids were out of diapers when I really really started making more wool products you know it was we moved to Red Deer when our son was well he decided when he was a month old and then we moved down when he was a few months old and then I ended up just kind of closing things down just a little bit and and was really falling into the wall so right when he was just about kind of potty training that’s when I really started to make diaper covers and shorts and pants and everything. But we got a little bit of it but you know it was right at the end of it. which always makes me a little sad that I didn’t get to use them more.


    Bailey Bouwman  08:34

    Now you make so many wool items and did I not see in your group yesterday that your your mother’s stole something that you recently made? So your will your wolf your clothing everybody in your life with a little dollar too?


    Bailey Bouwman  08:47

    Well, yeah, my, my mom came to visit and she’s still my best that I made and like look at this cool vest that I made myself and she’s like, Oh, I’m gonna save that. I don’t think I really I think no one


    Bailey Bouwman  08:59

    comes, it just might be other parts of your body. So a really part of why I’m really we’re really interested in having this conversation and we’re re recording this is something that’s unique about Bumby maybe not unique, but something that’s really cool is that you’ve been talking about the types of wall that you use and that we need to maybe reshift the narrative on how or what will connect with hold and withstand because you’re sourcing this a wool that was telling what kind of wool are using, like there’s all types of wool. So


    Bailey Bouwman  09:30

    there’s, there’s so many different types of wool out there. And well. There are different animals that produce wool like there’s a llama wall and help hackable and all those different things. And they do have different properties.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  09:42

    We use more or use sheep wool, and specifically merino wool. So merino wool is a breed of sheep. And then within the merino wool, even there is different microns which is the gauge of the thickness of the shaft of the fiber and it’s smaller. micron, the finer the wall, the softer The wool is.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  10:03

    So you can say, Oh, I have 100% merino wool. And the differences can be massive. And, and even. So when the wool comes off the sheep, there’s the quarter fiber. And then there’s the finer fiber that needs to get separated as well , so just because it says merino doesn’t necessarily mean that itself there can be other breeds of sheep that also produce this off, well, you said is softer than the coarser of the Merino.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  10:32

    I think when I started cloth diapering, I used to think about like the differences in wool being totally just knit base is that there were different knits, but since talking with you, it’s not just different animals. It’s not just different knits, but it’s also different textiles as it is like from the animal itself, right as


    Bailey Bouwman  10:51

    well, once the fiber and is is produced, then it gets put into yarn. And when you have the yarn, you can mix it with other fibers. So you can have 100% yarn, well, we use what’s called a corespun yarn, so actually has a micro filament of like her right up the middle, and then the wool is, is kind of twisted around that core filament. I’ve tried knitting the liker in and that’s a whole other thing.


    Bailey Bouwman  11:21

    But that’s what you’ve got, you’ve got this beautiful then you spot.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  11:26

    But it’s not just so it doesn’t matter if you’re using like the knit wool that typically in the industry is called a knit cipher cover, or wool is still a knit to get to knit fabrics. And, and like theirs. Or maybe I think that their machine knit into the shape.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  11:43

    But there’s still like the seam in it and everything, right but, and ours is, is still a knit, it’s just that the yarn, instead of it being a thick gauge of yarn, like a straw or whatnot, our yarn is like, like a thread. It’s super, super small. So if you look at it at a piece of fabric, it’s still knit, if you get a microscope to it, it’s still you know, so our interlock is actually a double sided knit. So if you look at a piece of Jersey, or a T shirt, it’s got one on one side, and it has, you know, bumping on one side of them or flat on the other, it’s on any t shirt.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  12:19

    And the interlock fabric means that it’s double sided. So those two things are knit interlocking together. So double sided, so both sides are the right side of it, there’s no right or wrong side of the answer. And but it’s still met, and it’s still using yarn. It’s just it’s on a big massive thing. And then we cut it out, cut the patterns out, and then sew them together, but it’s still a knit fabric. And then there’s a bonus break, which is where you get like that left in the weave, you know, and then you have panda now you know, with the shuttle thing going across, that’s a weave as opposed to a knit fabric, which is a different thing as well.


    Bailey Bouwman  12:54

    Gotcha. Okay. And so this is after some boring information about I think some people are gonna find it very interesting. And some people will be like, God, are we over this? I know, right? So you’ve got this net, and I CAN MACHINE WASH this net. And the reasoning why I can just toss us in the machine without worrying is


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  13:21

    well okay, so if you have 100% Well, it is going to, you either need to scour the world has little scales on it. And the scales when they interact with one another. If there’s water, especially heat and water, at like agitation and, and heat, I mean, those scales will mesh together like Velcro, and they stick together and that’s what felting it. And so if you have 100% it can easily do that.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  13:48

    So when you that’s where you have your temperature shocking and you have your machine washing is is is really vulnerable to that. And especially if you have like the same age net, there’s a lot of air between those fibers. So they they can just really have and like I was saying before a dance party, they can just scale the sticking out they’re ready to Velcro together, they’re just ready to have a big party and that’s when you’re going to have yourself thing whereas with the interlock the it’s way fine than it and because we have that light for filament in the middle, it also reduces the amount that it can sell.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  14:25

    And I don’t know what the other producers out there are doing I don’t know about your work on your product I was playing and everything so with I just pay attention when I’m doing so when I’m working with the wool, I want to pre shrink it I don’t want you to get it and then have to worry about shrinkage. It also makes the so I’ve really tried to hone that that practice over the past 13 years or 12 years I guess I’ve been really used to Hello.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  14:51

    And I try to pop the fibers so that they’re there it’s just it’s and that’s where the art comes in. So there’s the the right amount of heat the right The amount of adaptation the right amount of time, the timing of when I put my dyes in and everything.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  15:05

     So the felting and dyeing process are something that I do together and it pre shrinks the fabric, it pops the fibers makes everybody happy. And meshing them together enough that they have kind of felt it as much as they’re going to sell. For the most part, like, if you’re really hard to them, they’re going to go and get a little bit worse. But for the most part, it’s already felted as much because I’ve already got those scales that they knit together, but in such a way that it still leaves some air in there and at least the movement, but the scales have already been adhered.


    Bailey Bouwman  15:36

    So it’s like you’ve got all this it’s just like I almost so for beginners listening, I tend to I was just thinking like, just, you’re doing all the work for us. And that there’s different types of wool out there. And that some will really does need to be baby but that’s that’s a different type of wall and then some Well, it’s just ready to be loved like any other textile like right,


    Bailey Bouwman  16:00

    right? And if you think about like, Can you imagine washing your dishes, and not like you get the soap you get the water, your scrub some stuff. And then you just put it running a journey around for you visit like I am such an advocate for venting. Sorry,


    Bailey Bouwman  16:14

    I was I think that’s a great segwey into talking about washer wool because one of the things we talked about, we Stephanie and I have I have we’ve tried lots now we’re re recording we’re getting this down. Pat, we talked about last time was about this wash routine, I’m really making sure that the soap is out of the fibers. Because so what what is the impact of leaving soap in the fibers?


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  16:35

    Well, it doesn’t, in my opinion, okay, and let me preface this with that. When you mix soap, and water and urine, it makes ammonia and stank. And you know so we’ve all walked into our kids bedroom in the morning and went holy Dang, you know, I hope nobody else can can smell this because I need to fix this before anybody tells me I’m not allowed to use cloth anymore. Right? Like it It smells so bad from ammonia smell from that diaper buildup. And, you know, everybody talks about stripping their, their cloth diapers and making sure that they’re clean and rinsing them and selling them and doing everything that we can to keep those diapers as clean as possible, not just for the diapers, but also for the health of our kids bums, right?


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  17:19

    And that’s really normal and talking about the soul that we’re using, and it’s not really normalized, but whereas with the wool, it’s been more normalized about reducing the felting you know, but I’ve already done the felting. So it’s really not a problem. And I’m finding a lot of the consumer, you know, the normal that’s out there, and what’s been talked about a lot is, is, is leaving that soap in there is it okay, and it’s an i in my opinion, it’s not


    Bailey Bouwman  17:47

    logically it makes sense because we’re more and more in the other textile based industries, we’re talking about how soap really breaks down fibers. So it’s, it would be logical not to apply that to wool as well. Like if soap can break down cotton, of course it could break down well. And maybe do you think this idea that wool is magic, or wool is like cannot withhold anything, do you think like this narrative that Yeah, that was like super strong, invincible kind of material allows us to continue that narrative.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  18:25

    Well, and I think that it’s the soap is is doing more damage than it is good and we need to you know, we want to get that lanolin into the coats and fibers to nourish the fibers to make that waterproof coating. And it also increases the antibacterial properties that are naturally part of the wall.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  18:43

    So the wool is antibacterial, and on lanolin, there’s both of them it’s not just one and it so it supplements that but we’re not trying to get soap in there we’re trying to get the lanolin in there, you know and if you’re trying to get lanolin out to something What are you going to use to do that? Most soap and water right so we should just and then it’s like you’re not going to you know rub soap on your kid’s bellies and then just leave it there you know you have to rinse it off and then find the way people are saying they’re getting rashes sometimes with a wall and it’s like well either in the lanolin tree Are they using some heavy sense and also not renting it out? So they’re just putting all that fragrance and so on to their skin mixing it with urine and then so scared to wash them so then you’re getting urine crystals on there like so I’m just I’m all about different things.


    Bailey Bouwman  19:27

    That’s the one thing the cloth diaper communities be doing more we need to be rinsing our whirlwinds until the suds are clear which is something we’ve been saying about every other textile so it makes a lot of sense.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  19:40

    Yeah, and then so and I am the wool doesn’t like to be bloated with water either. So I mean it repels the water first and then then it does hold you know quite a bit of moisture in it fibers just naturally, but it does want to dry itself out. So this overnight soaking in the soapy water, I think is actually quite damaging to the wool and You know when it’s it’s almost like you’re soaking in soapy water the lanolin just sticks on there really really quickly. So and if there’s still lanolin in the waterbath it’s because it’s you know, so I like to layer things in and really get that into the fiber so my new lanl I think process and I’ve been really talking about it’s super it’s faster is easier and less damaging to the wall but it goes against everything that’s been talked about for the past 15 years.


    Bailey Bouwman  20:22

    I love that I love let’s talk about let’s talk about the things that go against what we’ve been doing that’s my love You know,


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  20:28

    and and the more I’ve been talking about it, I’ve been getting a lot of people like well I want it really sticky well you can still get it sticky with the way that I’m saying to do it and I want to have some sense and then we can still have the sense in there and I want to make sure that it’s really waterproof well you can still do that too and and i’m saying repeat a little bit you know when they wash your hair and then you rent it and then you repeat you know it doesn’t necessarily take that much longer and you know how it’s all more said be the second time you watch it, it’s kind of the things to the situation and you know, you’re you’re prepping the role you’re getting some land on and on and you put a little bit more or even just going back to washing dishes. You know, if you put like three times the amount of soap in the water, you know, is going to do less work than washing your dishes twice. You know, when you do a wash event and then a wash event,


    Bailey Bouwman  21:13

    there’s something I’m trying there’s there’s like a it’s making me think of it maybe it’s arts and crafts world or it’s like the glue world or it’s like we’re you spray, it’s better to do like a thin coat and then a thin coat versus, like try to do a chunky coat like yeah, it’s the same kind of idea. So when you’re talking, I mean, we’ve we’ve kind of we’ve jumped from washing to lanolin but we’re talking about transition, but I thought we could like circle back and kind of free. Not stickleback but like just reaffirm what we’ve talked about which is really good you know like summarize what we just talked about. So we’re talking about when we’re washing our wall we don’t need we don’t like just wash it wash it with some agitation wash it with some water use and make sure you


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  22:05

    know yes and then it doesn’t take too long right and if you want to handwash cool once it once it runs runs it and then if you want to then you think you then rinse it some more like and then and then you wrap it up in the towel to get the water and then rinse it again because there’s a good release hold that soap in there so


    Bailey Bouwman  22:24

    kind of avoid doing any long soaks because that the bloating of the fiber like wool doesn’t the wool fiber doesn’t want to be bloated.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  22:32

    Right? Exactly and then yeah and then doing that quick tip like I literally one hand filmed myself while analyzing of hair I mean diaper cover in the whole video took me less than three minutes start to finish like it is super quick


    Bailey Bouwman  22:48

    analyzing process she’s got we’re gonna we’re at a  lanolin we’re gonna ideally add an emulsifier instead of soap right but if we you’ve got to use so


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  22:58

    Okay, so we can talk about that a little bit the emulsfying blocks that I make and I think it was pretty sad out there I mean it’s just it’s just a cold press so different Yeah, no and you can use baby shampoo or whenever all these different things are gonna have different additives in them and different chemistry to them. So the most of my blocks that I make are not really all that nice for your skin they’re a little bit more alkaline to   emulsify the lanolin better so like


    Bailey Bouwman  23:28

    I was wondering to myself I’m glad we’re


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  23:31

    it’s just I mean you can use glycerin soap, there’s melt and pour base glycerin soap, the glycerin soap doesn’t work quite as well I do like the cold press. Using fats to make like a regular bar of soap, you know, like the fancy like the less so for the bar. So we’re, you know, even dogs or whatever, they’re all very, very similar stuff with different additives and slightly different ingredients, you know, and so I’m making bar soap as well, but I was I superfat it, I add extra fats to it to make it more luxurious for your skin and softening and all these different things.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  24:01

    But it doesn’t emulsify the lanolin quite as well, you know, so I make it the optimal ingredients, like ratios, to be better to multiply the lanolin the other things are going to work but that’s, you know, that’s why I make them.


    Bailey Bouwman  24:14

    Well no, it’s really cool and really interesting because I’ve always wondered what an emulsifying block was, I tend to shy away from recommending them only because of the expense. So like for a parent who might not be sure of well I’m always like, I just want you to try well and fall in love with it first, let’s not talk about all the things that you need. But they I find at least in my personal experience that emulsifying blogs are like way nice for most people like do a great job and that kind of explains why you’ve you’ve specially made a soap to work with to create this experience that works for the landlord just makes


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  24:50

    it easier and I was finding that the consumer like I used to do like this break apart bar and that gave you the arm all about choice whereas people were like, No, I don’t want to measure stuff. I don’t want to be just me up Can I put it in the water so that’s why we started making the blocks and as well and they’re so cute I like making them


    Bailey Bouwman  25:07

    so we’ve emulsified our lanolin we’ve kind of we’ve put it into like a bucket of some sort with water and then we quickly dunk


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  25:15

    our wall. I like using glass because it’s easier to clean and then personally but it doesn’t interact with the solution as much and then you don’t want too much water I very much advocate for using distilled water we actually have magic water here that works totally fine. I’ve never had an issue with making an emulsion which is why I was like why are people struggling so much this is super easy.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  25:38

     And then I realized that oh it’s not always is and some water types they just will not emulsify especially if it’s too acidic so when in doubt just use distilled then there’s less stuff in that as well. And then it’s especially for new people it just makes it and you can get a leader or something at the pharmacy or the grocery store for like a buck it’s not


    Bailey Bouwman  25:59

    okay so if you’re having a lot of trouble with your emulsion mixture, it might just be the water it might not be other elements that are a distilled water isin okay.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  26:11

    And you know some people are saying if they do their water too hot, then it doesn’t work as well if you have too much water it doesn’t work as well if you have charge lanolin it doesn’t work as well. You know there are little micro tweaks to it but I find like don’t use too much lanolin because if you make a mistake you’re going to waste it you know do a teaspoon do a block when in emulsifiers pull out the block you can reuse it use distilled water and and just try it out and then I like to make you know a little bit and then you can easily just make some more I just get a little jar and I shake it and it takes 30 seconds for me to make it feel you know


    Bailey Bouwman  26:46

    so I have I have very little bumby will cover girl I’m thinking like you’re talking about a little bit of amount of water are you saying that it might be ideal to just emulsify this in a casserole dish?


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  26:56

    Well I what I do is I like putting about half a cup of water to heat my emotion and then I add like a cup of water like it’s just enough to like it’s not even, like it’s just I and then I can really control where the dice I’m doing hand motions


    Bailey Bouwman  27:12

    even like a baking sheet like not even not even the width of a baking sheet. Like


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  27:17

    like yeah like I barely know very little very little water like a cup and a half is your whole thing and then I just dip that weapon onin and then I just swish it around and then I squeeze and push and squeeze and push meetings no you know and then squeeze it literally did it with one hand and then just put it put it away and then so when I did it I made like half a cup of a really heavy emotion right like my tablespoon teaspoon of whatever of abramelin and then the block and then I just put like a bit of it into my bowl with some water and then I dip and then I put a little bit more with another one you know and then you repeat go back to the first one to feel sticky a lot a little bit more so you never have like a massive amount of anything going on and it gives you really good control over how much you’re putting in


    Bailey Bouwman  28:06

    should it be focusing on the inside or the outside


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  28:09

    you always want to focus on the inside so the the goal so Lanlan is a really attractive dirt so it can be a magnet so you want to get on the inside closer to repel first is a goal right? So if it’s on the outside you’re just going to be attracting dirt as opposed to repelling the water back to the diaper right so so definitely be on the inside


    Bailey Bouwman  28:32

    is that I can just like really hyper localize this experience but I don’t need to be worried about like analyzing the entire cover and I’ve got a container big enough to fit my entire wall. I could probably just be doing it on a plate a saucer because a cup and a half would fit like in a little saucer and just be kind of pushing it down into that area just where my wet area is my wife


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  28:57

    I like doing it in like a in a bowl sale but like I use like a like a mixing bowl like a small medium mixing I


    Bailey Bouwman  29:04

    don’t need a special container I spent a lot of my wool career like looking for the perfect size container Stephanie like this isn’t your just use my mixing bowl just use your


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  29:18

    yes and then that you know you don’t want to be also something that people are talking about. land on my mic you don’t want to be dumping your bacon that and your your kitchen sink right because you’re going to get yelled at by the plumber who’s going to come and clean your pipes out from you know a clogging everything. Well I don’t it’s not so good for your plumbing either. I would be more wanting to dump it down my toilet but it’s a little bit better able to handle it. And if that did that make sense? Yes it


    Bailey Bouwman  29:46

    does. summary is thinking about your you’re saying like start off small like so that you don’t get to the point where you have a lot of waste. But if you have waste, try to avoid pouring it down.


    Bailey Bouwman  29:59

    You’re saying Because we don’t want to body stuff there, put it where you put other fatty stuff before that might be an option, maybe even the option. Yeah. And then if you’re using a soap, even if you’re using an emulsifier, the other thing I’ve heard you talk about is making sure that we rinse again, especially if right, so that you don’t have any of that remaining emulsifying agent in there, because that’s gonna react with the urine. It’s gonna react, right? Well, it’s gonna break down things not good. Right?


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  30:26

    So I like to so my whole process, I get my bottle of distilled water, I get a little mason jar or glass or mug or whatever, whatever. And then I get a little my symbol and, and then my five pieces of will a question I get asked all the time, it doesn’t matter if it’s a webinar, it really doesn’t entirely matter if it’s damp or not. Right. And then so you make your literally motion thing, you get your bowl, you put like, some water into the bowl, and then you actually like to pull my emotion into the bowl first, because then it cools it a little bit, you’re only using like, a couple tablespoons, right?


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  31:01

    You could put into a cold glass bowl, gonna chill it enough tempering right, when you’re making custard, you do the same sort of thing, then you pour your water in and then you make sure it’s really well mixed. Otherwise, you’re gonna get, you know, things all over the place, that a tiny bit of clumping, it’s not really a huge, you know, we don’t need to worry about it. But you’re inside of the hole and mushy, mushy, mushy, but inside for a little bit more, a little bit more. You know, Swedish chef it a little bit.


    Bailey Bouwman  31:26

    So Stephanie and I are multitasking. She’s trying to get her wool order in and she’s lost us. But she’s talking about smashing smashing her lanolin and, and then we’ll do as much research as she rents to make sure all of our soap is out correct. And then we’ll just let it dry.


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  31:41

    Well, no, no, no. So you’re going to get much female annaleigh into the fibers. And then you can repeat you can feel the sticky or not. And then


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  31:53

    then you can repeat if you want, you have control over what you’re doing. And then you want to rinse it all them you can just put them in the sand can be like a cold sense, you’re getting a soap out, well, it’s gonna stay in there, especially if you’re using cool water. Yeah,


    Bailey Bouwman  32:05

    alright, so you just click fill up, you’re saying well not even fill up, you put a little bit water and you’re staying for a while and


    Stephanie, Bumby Wool  32:09

    they’re running water. Just kind of do running water and let the water flow through and get all that soap out. And then do a rinse and spin in the washer. Or you can do your towel thing. But you’re trying to get that soap out and trying to get the water, water and the soap up. Right


    Bailey Bouwman  32:24


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